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riverbrieze |
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I share a lot of your concerns and thoughts Ali. I'm very nervous that we've chosen cotton candy for our next president and I really hope I'm
wrong.
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mklovesdanger |
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Prop 8 passed. Fuck you 52% of California voters.
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jelly0913 |
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it's such bullshit. if MA tries to pull this, i'll be all over it. i'll be moving back (7 MONTHS!!) and i'll fight it with all i've got.
don't we have actual problems to deal with in this country?
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laney895 |
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Amen, Jelly.
Iowa voted to eliminate wording that referred to anyone identified as an "idiot or insane person" as prohibited from voting. The measure would change the language to read "a person adjudged mentally incompetent to vote." That was our excitement. Seriously, I want to know who voted against it. "Football is like having a fling once a week. Baseball is a relationship." |
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HermieIsHawt |
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ugh, i wrote a response and it got deleted. i won't be able to word it as well this time around. but, basically..
i don't think it's fair to compare the responses to the respective elections of george w. bush (or, at least his re-election) and that of barack obama on the same level. though i agree that many people on the left were absurdly critical of bush, causing the valid concerns of many to lost with the abyss of "he looks like a monkey"-type commentaries, i do think that americans have every right to be unhappy with him as a president. he not only made many mistakes, but he not once did he try to fix these mistakes that were so clear to everyone else, including members of his own party. there's a reason he wasn't on the campaign trail. it was valid for liberals to be in an uproar when he was re-elected (i will not say the same thing for his election the first time--everyone deserves a chance.) i am so incredibly happy that barack obama has been elected president. i can sleep easier knowing that he will lead our country. i believe in barack obama's ability to create change not only because of the man himself, but because of the energy he has helped put back into our weary country. i was in the streets of new york last night, at union square, and the spirit that was being exuded was awe-inspiring. i am hopeful for the years ahead. |
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Jeweldarlene |
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I am with you, Junior.
![]() "The watch is a lot easier to get off and on than a wedding ring." John Mayer, In Style Magazine, Aug. 2006. |
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mklovesdanger |
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I love that Allie is 12 and smarter than us all.
Hi Allie. I miss you.
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livinks35 |
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Great leadership is not just about how much experience a person has. It's about knowing HOW to lead people. I have no fear at all that Obama will lead us
in a path that will be detrimental to our country. Will things go perfectly, no. But, I think he has the best of everyone in mind. I think he sees the big
picture and he will work to do what is in the best interest of everyone.
And, agree totally with you, Allie. People need inspiration and hope right now. I think it's astounding how he was able to get so many people involved in what was happening and want to get out and vote, and campaign. Obama is a very smart man and he likely knows what his limitations are and will put people around him who have the knowledge he doesn't. He picked the perfect VP in Joe Biden, someone who had what he didn't have, years in Washington and experience with foreign affairs. We also can't just say, "ok Obama, we've elected you, now go and fix it." We have to remain involved and active it what is going on. It's up to all of us to push for the changes we'd like to see, regardless of what our political party is. One person isn't going to be able to do everything.
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laney895 |
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Allie and Brenda, you hit the nail right on the head. Thank you!
"Football is like having a fling once a week. Baseball is a relationship." |
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alibubbalicious |
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Ok, then let's compare apples to apples, shall we? I can say, without hesitation, that if McCain had won, the same leftie folks who spat the venom at Bush
would have been spitting the venom at McCain. Never mind the fact that McCain was despised by the conservative right because of his extensive efforts crossing
party lines and that most conservatives considered him a democrat trying to run on the republican ticket. But the left wouldn't have given a shit about any
of that. Wouldn't have cared that McCain was also trying for change. That he was not, in fact, George W.'s evil twin brother come to carry on the exact
same administration. So forgive me if it gets my irish up when I hear Obama backers complaining about conservatives discounting Obama or voicing their concerns
about the direction he may lead the country. It doesn't get much more hypocritical in my eyes. Your boy won. You (generally speaking) have been bitching
and crying for the past 8 years. You don't deserve to keep bitching and complaining and now just switch your topic to "those republicans who won't
give Obama a chance." If you believe in your boy so much, then just let his actions speak for themselves.
Sorry if this sounds mean, but it's a major sore spot for me. I'm glad that so many of my friends are so confident in what they think Obama can do for our country. I'm not as confident. And I believed in what McCain could do for our country. Does that make me wrong? No. It just means I had a different vision. And I've got news for you, I'm not the only one. |
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mklovesdanger |
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For the record, as someone on the very far left, I had very few problems with McCain until he selected Sarah Palin as his running mate. I think he would have
made a good president, but the thought of even the possibility of Sarah Palin as president had me in a blind panic.
I also am not a HUGE Obama fan. I like him, I think he has the ability to do great things for the country, but I am not 100% confident that he is actually will. I am hoping, and I will support him along the way, but I will absolutely bitch and complain as much as I have been the past eight years if he fucks up.
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r4976b |
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I wonder what that woman on the news who said that Obama will pay for her mortgage and gas will think in a year when he doesn't. I guess she wasn't a
fan of JKF when he said "ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country". I'm going to sit on the sidelines and
see all this "change" we were promised. So far with Rahm Emmanuel as Chief of Staff it's already comical. Emmanuel HATED Hillary Clinton when he
was on the Clinton staff. For those just now joining the political process, the COS is the top aid and basically the guy you have to go through to get to the
POTUS as well as sets the tone of the administration. Emmanuel is as partisan as you get and once sent a dead fish to someone he didn't like. Personally, I
think a horse head in the bed makes a bolder statement.
http://www.newsday.com/ne...writethru,0,5637731.story Fancy words and promises don't make a good president, actions do. I give every president a chance to prove themselves. I can tell you exactly why McCain lost but what's done is done but throwing Sarah Palin under the bus is just stupid on these anonymous staffers parts. When found out they'll never be on anyone's campaign again. McCain wasn't conservative enough for one and two the media turned on him like I knew they would. That's what McCain gets for pandering to them though I'm real happy they're making up and are BFF's again just in time for Obama's cabinet pics. One thing I will say about Obama winning is it will wake up people who were not around during the Jimmy Carter years. I might have been little but I heard my parents talk about it for YEARS. I will make a few predictions since all of you intellectuals are, we'll get more government spending just like we did with Bush (ie expanded government and never a good thing), Israel will say "fuck you America, we're going at it alone"and will probably attack Iran before Bush leaves office, Putin will come back to power (oh wait, he said that he wants to do that today) http://www.newsday.com/ne...writethru,0,5637731.story (btw Russia has deployed missiles on Poland's boarder, yay Cold War Redux), Congress will try to roll your 401k into your Social Security so when you retire you get one big check (ie so they can get their grubby little hands on it), more open borders (which we would have still got with McCain and did with Bush), businesses leaving America due to the promised tax hikes (big and small) (ie we already have the second highest tax rate on businesses in the world behind Japan), increased unemployment because businesses that don't leave will have to continue to cut cost with layoffs (that $3000 deduction for hiring new people doesn't come anywhere near covering the cost of a new employee) and all that taxing will be passed down to you. When corporations have to spend more money the prices go up on their products and services. Biden said it's our "partriotic" duty to pay these higher taxes. He also said FDR got on tv in 1929 when tv. and FDR weren't even around...brilliant man. Hopefully all my predictions will be dead wrong. In fact I want them to be because I want the best for this country and her allies. I want people to take care of themselves and not have the American tax payer do it for them. America's best days aren't behind her like Obama said in Berlin, they are dead ahead of her. Time will tell if Obama is right for this country and history will be the judge.
~Becky
"Anything worth doing is worth over doing" ~ Mick Jagger lmt219: Being nice to people totally sucks and is so overated. Click on the following links: Fund Free Mammograms Feed a Homeless Animal |
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livinks35 |
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Gosh, Becky, how do you really feel? ;-) ( you know I'm kidding...I'm glad you posted your opinion)
I do wonder what might have happened if McCain had chosen a more moderate Republican like himself. It was said he picked Palin to bring in the conservative vote, but I think he lost more than he gained by doing that, including everyone in my office and most democrats I know who thought he was a reasonable guy and good candidate.
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HermieIsHawt |
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DISCLAIMER: I enjoy political debate. A lot. Have since I was in 6th grade (I was an odd kid.) So if some of the things I say seem harsh, it's not about
you as a person; it's about the issues I'm addressing. When I feel strongly about something, my writing gets a few barbs thrown into it. Sorry. Also,
on a side note, I was not always decisively an Obama fan. I didn't vote in the primaries because I couldn't decide who I liked. At first I was worried
that he was jumping into the presidency too quickly. But he proved himself and gained my whole-hearted support. Anyways, here goes nothing...
------ Well, let me start off with this. I think John McCain is a very good man. He's really intelligent and his concession speech was very gracious and honorable. My step-grandfather served under his father in the navy. He's met John McCain himself a few times and really respects him. I remember when he was running against George Bush in 2000 and that many people thought of him as "moderate". Being liberal, I liked that about him. My original impression of him is that rather than making choices by the Republican book, he really contemplates them and makes his own decisions. I really respect that. That's what being a real politician is about. If we are to compare, bottom line, I respect John McCain much more than I will ever respect George W. Bush. That being said, I think Mr. McCain succumbed to the right-wing Republican political machine this time around. He really started to lose my respect as the campaign progressed. I could give many examples, but I won't. Mainly the fact that he did nothing to silence those dangerous outbursts during his speeches (the chants of "Kill him!" and "Terrorist!" in regards to Obama) and that he nominated Sarah Palin as VP. I think the reason I respected McCain's concession speech so much is that it seemed that the true nature of McCain had returned. He silenced the boos and was very tactful. I wish those qualities had been more present throughout his campaign. Yes, if John McCain had won, I'm sure many people (the same folks who bashed Bush) would not have been too happy. I think you're right. And I think that's usually how it works in this country. People get upset when their "team" loses. As a side note, I think making blanket statements involving the entirety of party followers is really short-sighted and dangerous. Yes, I understand sometimes they are used in order to be "realistic" but it can also be narrow-minded. But anyway, thinking back to when Bush was re-elected (and I would imagine the reaction was harsher in that case than it would have been with McCain) people were upset, scared, and in disbelief. However, the reactions I heard--I'm talking about the intelligent, seemingly founded ones, not the extremist left non-sense--were MUCH more logical than some of the ridiculous reactions I'm hearing now. Obviously, this is not everyone. However, I am just very surprised at the number of these types of reactions I'm seeing and hearing from intelligent, well-informed people--not Neo-Conservatives. It's been a far greater number than I would have expected. In that way, I had more faith in Americans in general than I now suppose was right to have. I've heard so many people wailing about socialism and communism as if Obama's presidency threatens to bring us into the deep reccesses of these political theories gone wrong. In my book, what's wrong with socialism is that, because it works contrary to human nature, it usually ends up badly--dictorship, or how it's evolved in China, for example. To say that Obama would bring about something like this seems ludicrous. It's fear-mongering, but they're a few days too late. I guess what I'm saying is that yes, McCain supporters have every reason to be upset that he didn't win. And yes, you also have every reason to be wary of a man who you didn't support. I would have had the same reaction if McCain had been elected. I'm not complaining about those who are simply upset at the outcome of the election. Where the problem lies, I believe, is within those utterly baseless and in effect, dangerous, statements about Obama. Not to say that you personally agree with them, I'm just speaking generally. To be honest, I worry he'll be assassinated. I didn't have that worry when it came to Bush and I wouldn't have that worry in regards to McCain. So, to me, it's not about giving Obama a chance, it's about discrediting those whose reactions to his election are potentially dangerous. They're all too rampant, and the more negativity thrown into the mix, the greater the risk will be. Allie |
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lookieherecookie |
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The Canadian government is likely going down. Oh yeah. Liberals, NDP and Bloc are forming an alliance to overthrow the minority Conservative government. What
does this mean to you? Probably nothing, but to us, taxes and more taxes and more government spending and more "please don't leave Canada" money
being thrown at Quebec.
Stephen Harper's arrogance has cost him dearly. |
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alibubbalicious |
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That sounds a lot like what we're in for, Nancy. :P
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lookieherecookie |
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As you know, our governments run very differently. We just had an election 6 weeks ago. In our constitution you can have a vote of non-confidence, over throw a
minority government, and without an election, place a coalition government from various parties in a governing position.
What this means is that the Bloc party which has mandated that Quebec be given special status in the constitution and in the past, voted to seperate from Canada could put their elected officials in cabinet positions which would heavily favour Quebec's interests. Most folks from Quebec aren't interested in seperating anymore so the Bloc needs to keep themselves relevant. This means using tax dollars to pay for special projects directed solely to Quebec. The Liberals have, in the past, ushered into policy oil and gax taxation policies that have devasted oil rich provinces like Alberta. While Stephen Harper dropped the ball on this one and is absolutely accountable, I don't think Canadians want an election or their government fucking around when the economy is in crisis and there are important issues at hand. It's an absolute power play by the Bloc, NDP and Liberals. They can suck my whole asshole. |
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lookieherecookie |
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Dear me, that "whole asshole" part wasn't respectful was it now?
It's the JayZ in me. |
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alibubbalicious |
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Haha. I love you.
And I also love hearing more about your government. We really don't learn jack shit about that stuff down here and it's all very fascinating to me because it's so very different than ours. |
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lookieherecookie |
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Here's where the Queen of England comes in....we have a Govenor General of Canada. She, Michaelle Jean, makes up a third of the democratic process in
Canada. Govenor Generals have been around since, well a really long time. The role is to basically ensure that the government is following the constitution and
being responsible in their affairs. She must be consulted when a Prime Minister wants to call an election or takes an action which effectively impacts the
Parlaimentary process. She is also Commander in Chief of the Canadian Armed Forces. As Govenor General she is viewed as a "representation of Canada"
to the rest of the world and yes, she consults with The Queen of England about what the hell is happening in Canada. The Queen usually nods off by the way. The
Queen of England appoints the Govenor General on the advice of the Prime Minister and her or his term can last 5-7 years. So they don't necessarily leave
when the government of Canada does. Wit me?
She hands out lots of awards to citizens and visits the world on behalf of Canadians. In nutshell, she is kick ass. I want her job. |
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